Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from corsica.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Sat, 22 Jul 89 05:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Sat, 22 Jul 89 05:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SPACE Digest V9 #547 SPACE Digest Volume 9 : Issue 547 Today's Topics: Apollo coverage Spinoffs Re: Apollo-11 lunar experiment still useful after 20 years (Forwarded) Re: Space Transportation Act Re: new space goals Re: SETI related Questions A&E Network rebroadcast of APOLLO 11 coverage; PBS special. Re: Impossible Space Goals Space Launch Log, 1989 Re: S-Band Beacon on Moon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Jul 89 06:28:04 GMT From: mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!henry@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Apollo coverage Actually, the Apollo coverage *I* would like to see rebroadcast is that of Britain's ITN network. They covered the last 12 minutes of the landing in total silence, with only the astronauts and mission control talking, with explanations for the public flashed on screen (over a simulated-landing video) using a digital caption generator. (In the course of some digging through old issues of Spaceflight, I happened across a short piece in the Nov 1985 issue explaining how this happened. The producer of the show happened to see a video display of flight information in JFK -- one of the first caption generators in commercial use -- and missed his flight in order to track down the supplier of the machine and get one immediately. It was a deep dark secret until the broadcast itself. Everyone, including the astronauts who saw recordings later, thought it was the right way to do it. Pity nobody remembers it.) -- $10 million equals 18 PM | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology (Pentagon-Minutes). -Tom Neff | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 89 00:40:14 GMT From: jim@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (Jim Washburn) Subject: Spinoffs Come on folks, lets quit spreading myths. Tang, Teflon and Velcor are NOT spinoffs of the space program. The youngest of these inventions dates to 1957 when Sputnik first orbited the earth. My source for this is todays Boston Globe (7/17/89) where the entire Sci/Hi tech section was spent on the space program and these myths were specifically debunked and the origins of these 3 revealed. -- Jim Washburn ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 89 08:51:59 GMT From: sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!usc!orion.cf.uci.edu!dkrause@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Doug Krause) Subject: Re: Apollo-11 lunar experiment still useful after 20 years (Forwarded) In article <14473@bfmny0.UUCP> tneff@bfmny0.UUCP (Tom Neff) writes: >(I've been up to the Lure Observatory - it's a fantastic setting, about >10,000 ft MSL. A near moonscape, but dotted with rare indigenous >silverswords. It really is spectacular. Didn't they actually do some Apollo training down in the crater? Douglas Krause One yuppy can ruin your whole day. --------------------------------------------------------------------- University of California, Irvine Internet: dkrause@orion.cf.uci.edu Welcome to Irvine, Yuppieland USA BITNET: DJKrause@ucivmsa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1989 14:38-EDT From: Dale.Amon@H.GP.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: Re: Space Transportation Act I have just read the postings on this Act, and it looks very, very good to me. It does not contain direct subsidies, which other suggested acts have contained. Such direct subsidies are, in the long run, damaging to competitiveness. As much as I would prefer that all payloads were private, I still give my blessing to the concept that the the government be forced to give up it's milspecs and such when it is requesting a parcel delivery to LEO. If enacted, this law could do more to put a colony on the moon and on Mars that all the space station lobbying that has been going on. The private sector will simply make the moon/Mars and manned/unmanned debates irrelevant. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jul 89 18:31:29 GMT From: zephyr!tektronix!tekgen!tekred!speed!larryb@uunet.uu.net (Larry Brader) Subject: Re: new space goals In article <4783@drivax.UUCP> macleod@drivax.UUCP (MacLeod) writes: >In article <14435@bfmny0.UUCP> tneff@bfmny0.UUCP (Tom Neff) writes: > >::Why can't we get the hardware in place for that in 10 years? Politics > >:Our track record supports my assertion better than your objection, I >:think. We can't get that hardware ready in 10 years because we can't do >:ANYTHING in 10 years anymore. The can-do technocracy that gave us >:Vietnam and Apollo is ancient history. It's suicidally futile to >:predicate a Mars mission on JFK rising Arthur-like from the grave. We >:have to design something around the do-able. Unfortunately I agree with your assessment about getting things done in 10 years. But we do have the technology to go into space!! Look at the technology we had when we to the Moon. Why not Mars, Moon base, and a station.. It sure beat the hell out of building the Stealth bomber (development cost over $79Billion detriot news.. I believe it's slightly higher!!!). >I think the fire is out. Thirty years from now Japanese children will >laugh their heads off at sitcoms based on the problems of Japanese farmowners >in the Louisiana rice fields with their mumbling, child-like, illiterate >American fieldhands. >Michael Sloan Macleod (amdahl!drivax!macleod) EXCUSE ME!! They may be your vision of the future... It sure in the Bloody hell isn't mine. As for the fire being out. Go talk to people at American Rocket Co, SSI, Nasa (problems no doubt, but thats another issue :( ), Third Millenum, SpacePac, NSS, Planetary Society, others and ME. Your child may be a mumbling illiterate, mine sure in the hell won't be. I don't like allot of things going on in America and some other nations. But I sure in the hell haven't given up. Space goals :: Build the US space station. I support it and all Private space companies. The station is only a steping stone. Private companies can utilizing it as a testing ground for research. On a side note I don't think NASA will exist in 15 years from now. But it's the only system that we have now that can build the station. Larry Brader :: larry%speed.cna.tek.com@relay.cs.net Opinions here are just a interpretation of a perception. Tektronix nor anyone else are responsible with my views. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 89 04:08:15 GMT From: EWTILENI@pucc.princeton.edu (Eric William Tilenius) Subject: Re: SETI related Questions In article <890709-014748-14418@Xerox>, Brantly.WBST129@XEROX.COM writes: >What are some good sources of information on SETI related topics? A good source of information on SETI is The Planetary Society. Through their magazine, The Planetary Report, books they sell, brochures, and the people in their office, you should be able to find out the answers to many of your SETI questions. Their address: The Planetary Society 65 North Catalina Avenue Pasadena, CA 91106 Phone: (818) 793-5528 - ERIC - Eric W. Tilenius | ColorVenture Software | ewtileni@pucc.BITNET Quadrangle Club | 11 Prospect Drive South | ewtileni@pucc.Princeton.EDU 33 Prospect Avenue | Huntington Sta, NY 11746 | rutgers!pucc.bitnet!ewtileni Princeton, NJ 08540 | 516-424-2298 | princeton!pucc!ewtileni 609-683-4411 | * Sft. for the CoCo 3 * | CIS: 70346,16 ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 89 14:17:24 GMT From: wrksys.dec.com!klaes@decwrl.dec.com (CUP/ASG, MLO5-2/G1 6A, 223-3283) Subject: A&E Network rebroadcast of APOLLO 11 coverage; PBS special. The Arts and Entertainment (A&E) Cable Network is rebroadcasting the original NBC coverage of the APOLLO 11 mission to the Moon in 1969. The dates and times are: "Liftoff" - July 16, 9:20 AM - 11 AM "Moonwalk" - July 20, 10:30 PM - 2 AM "Splashdown" - July 24, 1:30 PM - 3 PM "Moonwalk" will be repeated on July 23 from 2:30 PM - 6 PM. For those of you in the Boston, MA area, on July 19 at 9 p.m., Channel 2 (WGBH, PBS-TV) will broadcast the program "The Other Side of the Moon". Eight of the twelve astronauts who walked on the lunar surface will be interviewed. They will discuss what has happened in their lives since their Moonwalks, and how it affected them. Larry Klaes klaes@renoir.dec.com or - ...!decwrl!renoir.dec.com!klaes or - klaes%renoir.dec@decwrl.dec.com N = R*fgfpneflfifaL ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 89 06:38:28 GMT From: eugene@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Eugene Miya) Subject: Re: Impossible Space Goals >In article <11246@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu>, jerbil@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu (Stainless Steel Gerbil [Joe Beckenbach]) writes: >}My two cents: those in JFK's world saw the Moon as "impossibly far", Ain't hindsight wonderful? To understand why they used that adjective, you must get library books dated prior to 1961. You will see the great unknowns at the time: Was the surface of the moon hard or miles of dust for a lander to sink? We now know, but we still don't know its origin. We didn't whether it was possible to eat and keep food down (image what we would have done to keep the food down, well we still do have the waste disposal problem). We still really don't know for absolute certain whether the polar caps of Mars are ice or CO2. [You should be skeptical of any absolutes until we get there.] There are all kinds of very simple questions. Some things work the way you would expect, and others don't. We adapt. Just think if we had not gone, what camp of these various opinions you would be in, and what rationalization would you make to defend your opinions, but then maybe "Columbus didn't 'discover' America." 8) --enm ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 89 22:43:21 GMT From: frooz!cfa250!mcdowell@husc6.harvard.edu (Jonathan McDowell) Subject: Space Launch Log, 1989 Here are all the orbital launches for the first half of the year... I'm afraid the file is rather wide. Jonathan ------------------------------------------- Space Launches 1st/2nd Qtr 1989 ------------------------------------------- NORAD No. Date Satellite Agency Launched by From Status at 1 Jul 89 19749 01A Jan 10 Kosmos-1987 GK GK Proton (4) KB 64.9 deg,19110x19149 km 19750 01B Jan 10 Kosmos-1988 GK " 64.9 deg,19110x19149 km 19751 01C Jan 10 Kosmos-1989(Etalon) GK " 64.9 deg,19101x19149 km 19756 02A Jan 12 Kosmos-1990 TsP GUGK GK Soyuz KPL Landed KRZ Feb 11 19758 03A Jan 18 Kosmos-1991 GRU GK Soyuz KB Landed KRZ Feb 1 19765 04A Jan 26 Gorizont MSvyazi GK Proton (4) KB GEO at 53 deg E 19769 05A Jan 26 Kosmos-1992 KGB? GK Kosmos II KPL 778x784 km, 74 deg 19772 06A Jan 27 Intelsat VA F15 INTELSAT AE Ariane 2/V28 CSG GEO at 60 deg E 19774 07A Jan 28 Kosmos-1993 GRU GK Soyuz KB Landed KRZ?, Mar 27 19783 08A Feb 10 Progress-40 GK GK Soyuz KB Deorbited over POR Mar 7 19785 09A Feb 10 Kosmos-1994 VMF? GK Tsiklon KPL 82.6 deg 1395x1417 km 19786 09B Feb 10 Kosmos-1995 VMF? " 82.6 deg 1413x1417 km 19787 09C Feb 10 Kosmos-1996 VMF? " 82.6 deg 1406x1417 km 19788 09D Feb 10 Kosmos-1997 VMF? " 82.6 deg 1400x1417 km 19789 09E Feb 10 Kosmos-1998 VMF? " 82.6 deg 1390x1417 km 19790 09F Feb 10 Kosmos-1999 VMF? " 82.6 deg 1384x1417 km 19792 10A Feb 10 Kosmos-2000 TsP GUGK GK Soyuz KPL Landed KRZ Mar 2 19796 11A Feb 14 Kosmos-2001 PVO GK Molniya KPL 62.8 deg 855x39511 km 19800 12A Feb 14 Kosmos-2002 ? GK Kosmos KPL 65.8 deg 181x1538 km 19802 13A Feb 14 Navstar GPS 14 USAF USAF Delta 6925/184 CCAFS 55.1 deg 20004x20361 km 19807 14A Feb 15 Molniya-1 MSvyazi GK Molniya KB 63.0 deg 566x39783 km 19818 15A Feb 17 Kosmos-2003 GRU GK Soyuz KPL Landed KRZ Mar 3 19822 16A Feb 21 Akebono (EXOS-D) ISAS ISAS Mu-3SII/3 KagSC 75.1 deg 276x10293 km 19826 17A Feb 22 Kosmos-2004 VMS GK Kosmos II KPL 83.0 deg 974x1017 km 19851 18A Feb 28 Meteor-2 GUGMS GK Tsiklon II KPL 82.5 deg 941x959 km 19862 19A Mar 3 Kosmos-2005 GRU GK Soyuz KPL Landed KRZ? Apr 25 19875 20A Mar 6 JCSAT 1 JCSAT AE Ariane 44LP/V29 CSG GEO at 152 deg E 19876 20B Mar 6 Meteosat 4 (MOP 1) EUMETSAT " GEO at 0 deg W 19882 21A Mar 13 OV-103 Discovery NASA NASA STS/STS29 KSC Landed EAFB Mar 18 19883 21B Mar 13 TDRS 4 Contel " GEO 46W drifting E (6/4) 19893 22A Mar 14 Kosmos-2006 GRU GK Soyuz KPL Landed KRZ Mar 31 19895 23A Mar 14 Progress-41 GK GK Soyuz KB Reentered Apr 25 19900 24A Mar 23 Kosmos-2007 GRU GK Soyuz KB 64.7 deg, 228x267 km 19902 25A Mar 24 Kosmos-2008 VMF? GK Kosmos II KPL 74 deg 1393x1471 km 19903 25B Mar 24 Kosmos-2009 VMF? " 74 deg 1408x1472 km 19904 25C Mar 24 Kosmos-2010 VMF? " 74 deg 1424x1472 km 19905 25D Mar 24 Kosmos-2011 VMF? " 74 deg 1439x1472 km 19906 25E Mar 24 Kosmos-2012 VMF? " 74 deg 1456x1472 km 19907 25F Mar 24 Kosmos-2013 VMF? " 74 deg 1465x1480 km 19908 25G Mar 24 Kosmos-2014 VMF? " 74 deg 1471x1490 km 19909 25H Mar 24 Kosmos-2015 VMF? " 74 deg 1470x1510 km 19911 26A Mar 24 Delta Star (USA-36) SDIO USAF Delta 3920/183 CCAFS 47.7 deg 475x508 km 19919 27A Apr 2 Tele-X SSC AE Ariane 2/V30 CSG GEO 5 deg E 19921 28A Apr 4 Kosmos-2016 VMF GK Kosmos II KPL 83.0 deg 954x1016 km 19923 29A Apr 6 Kosmos-2017 GRU GK Soyuz KPL Landed KRZ Apr 20 19928 30A Apr 14 Raduga MSvyazi GK Proton (4) KB GEO 19938 31A Apr 20 Kosmos-2018 GRU GK Soyuz KPL Landed KRZ?, Jun 19 19941 32A Apr 26 Foton GK GK Soyuz KPL Landed KRZ May 12 19968 33A May 4 OV-104 Atlantis NASA NASA STS/STS-30 KSC Landed EAFB May 8 19969 33B May 5 Magellan (VRM) NASA " " In solar orbit 19972 34A May 5 Kosmos-2019 GRU GK Soyuz KPL Landed KRZ May 18 19976 35A May 10 Vortex 6? (USA-37) NSA USAF Titan34D-T CCAFS GEO 19986 36A May 17 Kosmos-2020 GRU GK Soyuz KB 64.8 deg 181x289 km 20000 37A May 24 Kosmos-2021 GRU GK Soyuz KB 69.9 deg 206x283 km 20006 38A May 25 Resurs-F TsP GUGK GK Soyuz KPL Landed KRZ Jun 17 20056 38C May 25 Pion KAI " 82.3 deg 220x234 km 20060 38D May 25 Pion KAI " 82.3 deg 231x243 km 20024 39A May 31 Kosmos-2022 GK GK Proton (4) KB 64.8 deg 19125x19134 km 20025 39B May 31 Kosmos-2023 GK " 64.8 deg 19094x19164 km 20026 39C May 31 Kosmos-2024 GK " 64.8 deg 19099x19144 km 20035 40A Jun 1 Kosmos-2025 GRU GK Soyuz KPL Landed KRZ Jun 15 20040 41A Jun 6 Superbird 1 JSCC AE Ariane 44L/V31 CSG GEO 158 deg E 20041 41B Jun 6 Kopernikus 1 DBP " GEO 26 deg E 20045 42A Jun 7 Kosmos-2026 VMF GK Kosmos II KPL 83.0 deg 953x1009 km 20052 43A Jun 8 Molniya-3 MSvyazi GK Molniya KPL 62.9 deg 583x39771 km 20061 44A Jun 10 Navstar GPS13 (USA38) USAF USAF Delta 6925/185 CCAFS 54.6 deg 19969x20369 km 20064 45A Jun 14 Kosmos-2027 PVO? GK Kosmos II KPL 74.0 deg 472x511 km 20066 46A Jun 15 DSP 14 (USA 39) USAF USAF Titan 4/IUS CCAFS GEO 20073 47A Jun 16 Kosmos-2028 GRU GK Soyuz KB 70.0 deg 207x249 km 20083 48A Jun 21 Raduga-1 MSvyazi GK Proton (4) KB GEO 49 deg E 20095 49A Jun 27 Resurs-F TsP GUGK GK Soyuz KPL 82.6 deg 258x271 km ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Acronyms: AE Arianespace, Inc. CCAFS Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida Contel Continental Telephone Inc. (USA) CSG Centre Spatial Guyanais, Kourou, Guyane, S. America DBP Deutsche Bundespost (West German Post Office) EAFB Edwards AFB, California EUMETSAT European Meteorological Satellite Organization GEO Geostationary Earth Orbit GK Glavkosmos SSSR (Soviet Central Space Agency) GPS Global Positioning System GRU Glavnoye Razvedivatel'noye Upravileniye (Soviet Military Intelligence) INTELSAT International Telecommunications Satellite Organization IOR Indian Ocean Region ISAS Institute for Space and Astronautical Sciences, Japan JCSAT Japan Communications Satellite Co. JSCC Japan Space Communications Co. KagSC Kagoshima Space Center, Kagoshima, Japan KAI Korolev Aviation Institute, Kubyshev, SSSR KB Kosmodrom Baykonur, Kazakhstan KGB Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti SSSR (Soviet State Security Committee) KPL Kosmodrom Plesetsk, Russia KRZ Kazakhstan Recovery Zone (* my nomenclature) KSC Kennedy Space Center, Florida MOP Meteosat Operational Programme MSvyazi Ministerstvo Svyazi (Soviet Ministry of Communications) NASA US National Aeronautics and Space Administration POR Pacific Ocean Region PVO Protivo-Vosdushnaya Oborona (Soviet Air Defense Force) SDIO Strategic Defense Initiative Organization, US Dept of Defense SSC Swedish Space Corporation STS Space Transportation System TDRS Tracking and Data Relay Satellite TsP GUGK Tsentr "Priroda",Glavniye Upravileniye Geodesiy i Kartographiy ("Nature" Center, Soviet Central Geodesy and Cartography Agency) USAF United States Air Force VMF Voenno-Morskoy Flot (Soviet Navy) The identification of the Pion subsatellites with specific catalog numbers is tentative. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jul 89 23:01:38 GMT From: cwjcc!mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!henry@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: S-Band Beacon on Moon In article <1473@xn.LL.MIT.EDU> wjc@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (Bill Chiarchiaro) writes: >In the last year or so, I read about a radio transmitter that was left >on the Moon by one of the Apollo missions and that is still operating. As far as I know, all the Apollo lunar-surface transmitters were shut down when the Apollo seismometer network was shut down (to save some trifling amount of money!!! :-[ ) some years ago. I could be wrong. The only Apollo surface devices that are still useful, that I know of, are the laser retroreflectors. -- $10 million equals 18 PM | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology (Pentagon-Minutes). -Tom Neff | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V9 #547 *******************